McGee admits playing golf with Tsvangirai

Mhofeti • pasizw@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Ambassador McGee
Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:28:46 • This other day I was amused when Wiseman alleged that I hate the west etc. The fact of the matter is I'm critical of the west's double standards on show in the world political arena. For example do you think amabassador McGee would conduct himself the way he did or is doing in Zimbabwe in say Pakistan, Iran, Russia, China etc? Why not? At one time you were not sure whether McGee was an ambassador of USA or Zimbabwe? If USA as represented by McGee so cares why the ZIDERA? Someone once said if you want to hide something from black people put it in writing. Before you shoot off and dismiss this as being racist I think this is true with the funny enough literate Zimbabweans who trust the grape vine and televisions and have no time search out matters in black and white. Of course I may be wrong as I'm not completely conversant with the dos and don'ts of ambassadorial position.

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Subject: McGee
Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:53:11 • mkrice- It is important that you google The Money Masters. Its not literature on world finance but a video on how the world banking system operates and who controls it.Did you know that most reserve banks are privately owned and not owned by govts.
Educate yourself mkrice and you will find that what is happening within the global system is not as simple as we are led to believe.As for your assertion that some beneficiaries of the land reforms have been placed on no man's land. We now have to ask this question. What has happened to issues of self help in Zim. Why do people want to the govt to do everything for them? For your info most rural schools in Zim were built by parents who provided bricks, labour etc. The problem with Zim now is the that Donors have killed the work ethics amongst Zim.All you hear now in Zim is the Donors did this or that. Where is the self -help? If there are no roads, create them. If there are no schools build them. Lets all go back to the work ethics of our forefathers and we can see Zim rising again. Who build the roads in Zim. It was done through forced black Zim labour. Apportioning blame is not the way forward.Lets all start working very hard and not look for easy ways to make money.

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Subject: McGee
Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:15:18 • Wiseman -Your contributions to these posts are getting better. However, I think what McGee said when interviewed on SW radio merits commenting on.McGee has stated that to re-engage the Zim govt- he wants a government that will adopt free market policies. Surely, Wiseman ain't we witnessing an unprecedented financial crisis in western economies including the USA where these free market policies are unravelling ? Why does McGee want us to adopt policies in Zim that are unravelling everywhere else including in his own country USA. Why does McGee want Zim to be a receipient of IMF/World Bank prescriptions which failed in Zim before. Remember ESAP? How many people lost their jobs during that period? What of the the impact on the textile business and others as a result of the opening of Zim markets then? If Zim were to go the IMF/World Bank route again, what collateral will the institutions require from Zim for the loans. Will Zim have to sign away its mineral rights, property rights and land rights in exchange?
Will Zim be forced to privatise its parasatals with the ensuing loss of jobs? We are seeing reverses of privatisation in the West. Why would a failed policy be ok in Zim? The only asset that is appreciating now is land and you will find that most investors are investing in agricultural land, minerals etc.Those with land in Zim should hold on to it. No inflation will impact on land values. Land is king.
Is someone waiting in the wings to cream off Zim assets?
McGee is also on record on saying that---We need to get on, we need to form a cabinet, we need to form a government that can start doing things for the people of Zimbabwe---. Is McGee all of a sudden a citizen of Zim. Why is he using the WE language. McGee has also stated that ---So we have a problem of no.1: Identifying the people who require food assistance and then no.2: getting this food assistance to the people---. I thought he and his likes have always quoted that over 5m Zim are in need of food Aid. How come all of a sudden McGee does not have a clue of who needs food aid. What were the NGOs actually doing then prior to the ban?Can it be the NGOs were more interested in electioneering than food distribution.McGee also gives the game away when he states--And what we need is a change in policy, a change in direction that will allow the great farmers - and there are hundreds and thousands of great small farmers here in Zimbabwe - to get out there and do what they do, which is grow food----. What McGee is in fact saying is he wants the land reforms reversed. This US mbassador is also being mischevious when he says that the sanctions imposed as a result of Zidera Act, 2001 are not impacting negatively on the Zim populace. He is blaming lack of balance support and withdrawal of lines of credit on the Zim govt not paying back their loans.Why has he not said anything about his govt's role in ensuring that no international lenders are allowed to lend money to Zim govt on the orders of the US.
McGee is no friend of Zim and the sooner he leaves that country the better for all concerned. Zim patriots need to be extra vigilant.Lets not be lulled into a false sense of security where we are led to believe that the abuser becomes our liberator.
Only Zims can be their own liberators.

mkrice • n/a
Subject: Tweaking
Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:14:23 • 1st--The wording was a fully functional country NOT Economy and for who ever controlled the Economy then and now that is where the Tweaks were required. Balancing the power not destroying the infrastructure. I don’t have the figures of how many blacks where employed or educated by Smith obviously low AGAIN Tweaking was required.

You tell me then how many blacks are employed or have O levels today and how much tweaking is going to be required to turn that around. You know of non ZPF supporters who own farms I know some too and you know where they were dumped in the middle of nowhere with no transport as the previous white owners had cars, with no functioning schools as the previous white farmers had their kids in boarding schools.

As for goggling Money Masters I certainly do not have to read some literature to understand how nations got richer, or as you say understand how the world of finance works. Looking at the events of the last few weeks tell me how this “World of Finance” actually works. As for Smith not being tried for his heinous crimes you should ask Mugabe. He had the power to throw the book at Smith he was the President who had great respect then and for many of us who lost our loved ones during that war of liberation we were baying for blood and am sure during TOI TOI we chanted songs about lynching Smith. Smith was a bigger fish to fry but Mugabe opted for Gukurahundi what was the exact crime the Ndebeles had committed. As Samutoko myself I have never understood that. Our enemy was the white colonizer and what happens? the Ndebeles get it. How many Ndebeles where killed then if we compare to your more than 50.000 Zims killed by Smith. International arena the finance world is just like the relationship between you and your bank-- there are rules and regulations and the small print and unfortunately its always the small fish that get done Zim included.

Wise Man • N/A
Subject: Golf
Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:31:46 • I am not going to spend my time talking about the fact that McGee also said he plays golf with Zanu PF bigwigs, but I will only ask all Zanu PF supporters who are not happy with the news to urge their president to pull out of the deal if you do not want a PM who plays golf with McGee. If you are looking for an enemy of the West as a PM, then keep looking and dump Tsvangirai. Simple as that. All your ravings are not serving any purpose here, chinguri makamutuka for this and that he still gets votes. Probably its time to end this bad marriage before it starts, if there is so much mistruets, how can the deal work?

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Subject: Mcgee
Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:03:26 • Zim situation is correct and should be applauded.Can you explain to us why the Zidera Act, 2001 and the EU sanctions were imposed on Zim after the land reforms and not before? These sanctions are not targeted and have been imposed on the general populace of Zim. Google Zidera Act, 2001 and EU sanctions and educate yourself. How can any government function without balance of payment support and with lines of credit withdrawn?
As for your insinuations that Zim got a fully functioning economy that only needed twicking here and there is plainly mischievious. Who controlled the economy then and who still controls the economy now? The one who controls the purse strings calls the tune.Can you also tell us how many black people were employed during Smith days. How many black Zims had O level qualifications during Smith days? Not a lot. What independence ushered for black Zims were educational opportunities that were out of this world. That is why Zims can be found in many parts of the world selling their expertise. Yes there are problems in Zim but the underlying factor has been the illegal sanctions. It cannot be denied that things are not hanky dory in Zim right now and some school children are suffering. There has been a massive brain drain from Zim to other countries and that has had a detrimental effect on Zim economy. As for the land reform receipients, I personally know people who are not Zanu-PF supporters who have been beneficiaries. How do you explain that.
Mkrice, why don't you google The Money Masters and learn how global finance actually work.Political independence without economic independence is not worth the paper its written on. Mkrice, now that the western economies are in recession, who is to blame for that? Is it the govts failed policies or not?
Smith killed more than 50,000 black Zims. Why was Smith allowed to die a free man and also allowed to continue farming in Zim after all the atrocities against the black Zim. McGee's hobnobbing with Tsvangirai says a lot about the man. Question is who is controlling Tsvangirai?

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Subject: GOLF
Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:13:04 • Deals are made during golf matches. Chief Executives get jobs for their small houses during golf matches. Now it looks like countries can also be sold-or should I say national interests can now be compromised during golf matches. Prime Minister designate needs to be more refined than that. I would have understood it if him Bob and AGO were playing golf while sorting out the cabinet. Not to discuss Zimbabwean issues with a foreigner while playing golf. I am also angry with such insensitivity on the part of the PM designate. Hazviitwe izvozvo.

mkrice • n/a
Subject: Golf
Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:41:13 • Todd of New O I don’t think you understand much about the Zim situation and the land reform. The bone of contention for many Zimbabweans is that Mugabe and his buddies now own most of the land that was meant to redistribute. How many White farmers are actually left in Zim who own land? Please don’t try to understand our plight am sure you have bigger issues in your own neighborhood i.e. rebuilding after the floods. Its people like you who claim to understand black issues when in actual fact blacks in Zimbabwe are dying, starving just to mention a few things at the hands of fellow blacks. Do you know that many black kids do not attend school because the whole systems have crumbled?

Racism that you point out is a double edged sword, there as many black racists as there are white. At this time and moment it is not the issue in Zim although many who fear that Mugabe losing control will affect their life styles that have been brought about via corruption will have us think that the Whites want to re-colonize Zimbabwe and the only person stopping that from happening is Mugabe. What a load of rubbish, when people are hungry and suffering whoever puts food in your belly is your god and many Zimbabweans who endure long painfully journeys to Botswana/SA/Mozambique to shop for basic necessities do not see a white person being a threat to them. Their threat is the police who set up road blocks and confiscate whatever little they are bringing back. For these poor suffering people a threat is the customs officials who demand Rands and US$ so that they can be allowed to take their shopping back home. You say “I also want to say that I don't trust Tsvangarai with the MDC. I will be kind and not call him a name but I hope he never gets to be president of Zimbabwe.” What do you trust about Mugabe? He took over a fully functional country 28yrs ago and all that was required was a few TWEAKS here and there now look what has happened, what does he have to show for his years in power, a few slaughtered white farmers and thousands of black Zimbabweans killed or displaced because of voicing their opinions, burnt homes, farms abandoned, a malnourished population a handful of fat cats.

Surely even you as a Black American in the South are not being beaten up or have your property destroyed (Katrina might have done that) for your political views. You might choose to support Obama or McCain and still have a good night sleep after having a very tasty Creole meal, less can be said about our fellow countrymen and women. None of us are stereotyping ourselves into thinking that Blacks can not run a country we are as capable as anybody, it’s the ones that have done it before who make people think we are not equipped to run an economy. Am sure there are many Zimbabweans who can do a better job than Gono not just printing paper monkeys can do that. So MT and McGee playing golf is really of no importance at all just trying to make news where there is none. We would have loved to hear what Mugabe and his entourage did at the UN we did hear the usual 15min rumbling of yesteryear that was it.

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Subject: HISTORY IS IN THE MAKING NOW.
Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:36:06 • Dont you just lurve all these patriots out in the Diaspora who rant and rave and criticise and have something negative to say on every single issue yet have little intention of ever going back until its GAME OVA!

Only then, and only if Zimbabwe is as successful as the West once was, will they return.(Who was it who said, NOT IN MY LIFETIME?)

History is in the making, why not be part of it?

Isaac Bwoni • ibwoni@gmail.com
Subject: Promises?
Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:14:54 • My advice to Prime Minister designate Morgan Tsvangirai is that: Please do not promise what you can not fulfil. Zimbabwe does not belong to one person. Zimbabwe belongs to Zimbabweans and we as Zimbabweans will not hesitate to follow those who preach the word of BLACK EMPOWERMENT. Remember only 28 years ago thousands of us were dying at the hands of the very same people you think sympathise with us. In Shona language we say Mwoyochena wei tsvimborume kubvisa mwana wemvana madzihwa. In English this translates to something like, How sympathetic for a senior bachelor to clean the nose of a single mother's baby with bare hands. McGee and company are after something. We know it. We are different from others because we read a lot after Mugabe declared education for all soon after independence. We read more than newspapers in Zimbabwe. We understand the politics of the world.

We understand how we were colonised and how difficult it was to fight of the colonisers. And just 28 years down, Mr Tsvangirai you feel McGee and team are better company? Why all of a sudden this sympathy and empathy from very people who declared that Blacks would never rule their own land in a thousand years?

I do not hate whites, NO. But i hate those of them who think blacks are not human enough to be treated as equals on this world. I also hate those blacks who sell out on their kith and kin to get favour from those heartless whites.

So please do not make promises you will fail to fulfil to McGee and company because Zimbabwe's land (Which we know is the center of controversy between the West and Mugabe) belongs to Zimbabweans, including all that is found on and under it. We do not want jobs created for us by someone else using our resources. We want to be masters of our own resources and create the jobs ourselves, of course with bona fide partners. We learnt bitter lessons a long time ago. This time we will not get it wrong, NO.

Gondo • Godknowsmurapa@yahoo.com
Subject: musanyeperane
Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:48:54 • Even Mugabe spent some time with Mengistu, and Tsvangirai have the right to mix with anyone who can be of assistace

Tisu Vatongi • tisu@hotmail.com
Subject: Golf
Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:00:52 • Mugabe loved cricket....now Tsvangson thinks to compete he must take up Golf....

Imagine how many loaves of bread could be bought for the poor just from the fees of one round of Golf?

todd kidd • toddkidd67@yahoo.com
Subject: McGee
Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:38:34 • I have one thing to say to my brothers and sisters of Zimbabwe: representative McGee does not represent the views of all of black American. I'm black American and I live in New Orleans. I'm 100% behind black empowerment and this is why I support Mugabe on land reform in Zimbabwe. Black Zimbabweans must own the means of producation to be lifted out of poverty and land ownership will due this. Mugabe is right; the land in Africa belongs to black Africans. You will never find black people owning large tracts of land here in America. It will never be allowed.
Yes, Obama is running for president but this does not mean American is free from racism. It means that America will let a black man become president when the economy is at its knees. I would like to see Obama president and I hope he sends Ambassdor McGee globe trotting uncle tom back to the united states where he can play golf with his master Bush. I also want to say that I don't trust Tsvangarai with the MDC; I will be kind and not call him a name but I hope he never gets to be president of Zimbabwe. Europe for Europeans, India for Indians, China for Chinese and Africa for Africans. Peace and Love, black american. keep the fight, never let go of the land. it will bear fruit but be patient. If black Zimbabaweans make it the stereotype that black people can not run a modern economy will die. keep the fight!

Omugabe • Dziva@sanandresano.com
Subject: Look Inward & Look East for Self-development, Zim Patriots!
Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:34:08 • The War Vets should get to work to give the boot to this self-hating and devil-worshiping servant of white supremacists.
Let them play golf in some other country.

McGee is the kind of ignorant and arrogant individual who couldn't be as brazen in America where African people like him are treated as second class citizens by the same racist devils whom he serves.

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Subject: McGee
Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:13:57 • Britain and the US are two of the MDC's most important Sugar Daddies (Truly! Madly! Deeply!). In return for this largesse Tsvangirai is promising all sorts of things. Imagine enduring McGee's company!

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Subject: McGee
Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:25:53 • McGee is that kind of visitor that has overstayed his welcome in Zim. Majority of Zims want this meddling, undiplomatic and arrogant individual to leave Zim and to stop interfering in Zim's internal affairs via his proxy Tsvangirai. McGee's services will be more useful in his home country (US) where his kith and kin are feeling the full blast of the credit crunch more so than those whose interests he wants to protect in Zim.

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Subject: G O L F
Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:38:47 • did you know that the word GOLF means - GENTLEMEN ONLY LADIES FORBIDDEN!

But that was its original meaning - what could GOLF possibly mean nowadays? Answers please?