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Mhofeti • pasizw@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Is that fact Hamadziripi?
Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:13:00 • Hamadziripi, who is not even allowed to pray for their country? Zimbabweans don't need aid they are interprising enough to look after their families in a supportive environment without sanctions. Even during the Smith regime Zimbabweans were not surviving on developed world's handouts. Also how does one person's failure to salute Tsvangirai rise up the priority list to become a national problem in the face of people's suffering of undescribable propotions? What's the next other priority his passport, office, car, etc? Just imagining whether MDC has not made their same unpopular- Mugabe-type-of-president in Tsvangirai with almost everything founded on his personal terms of reference even the party name? I suspect from now on the consequences of suggesting Tsvangirai's ouster are gravier than those of suggesting Mugabe's ouster. Just wait for the drama to unfold.
Changamire Dombo • ChangamireDombo@rocketmail.com
Subject: The Buck Stops With ...?
Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:42:21 • The Labour Gov't through the efforts of one Claire Short kick-started most of our problems.She cut short the umbilical cord.Resettlement Schemes were up and running using some of the funds pumped out for Willing Buyer/Willing Seller Arrangements.Having bought such lands it was necessary to put infrastructure and seed-money to those resettled farmers to enable them to cope with the demands of such an exodus.Schools,clinics,roads,dams,etc and the attendant human personnel had to be made available otherwise vanhu vaingozosiwa musango. Training of Madhumeni,teachers,nurses and doctors also took some funds from such pools of money let alone the interim measure of recruiting temporary staff and expats to hold fort in the short term.Of course, pane mari pane mbavha,ma-loosers akabiwa in the process.Heaven forbid, I am not saying that was right but it happened and will happen again pose pane chibhanzi.ZANU and ZAPU were not looters while fighting for the liberation of Zimbabwe hence a money supply mechanism had to be put in place to help fund land redistribution.That was violated by Labour!Settlers were not being shoved off their ill-gotten lands until we were forced to do what they initially did, use force to occupy. In our case, we can say, justifiably so, because, we were only re-claiming what was and is rightfully ours. Minda yedu, mhuka dzedu, zvicherwa zvedu and nyika yedu, nhaka yedu! Pakaitika chaos but the idea in itself was and is not bad.History alone tells us how those settlers occupied our lands and The Lancaster House Constitution tells us clearly who was supposed to compensate who. The invaders were to be compensated by their ancestors who sent them out in the first place to colonise us.We were deprived of our lands by invaders, they used us as cheap labour (chibharu) and they even stole our livestock in the process.Worse still, they levied taxes on poor peasants to prop up their administarations. Tell me the source yemaColoureds and you may be getting closer to home, a hurting home-truth.We were not allowed to be in certain areas of our own country by the occupying forces whom we are now being asked to refer to as farmers, aaagh, ndinonyetera vakomana.Selous Scout by night and farmer by day?Hamheno veduwe-e but madofo batisisai please!While it is not right to correct a wrong by doing another wrong, the truth must be told kuti vasingazive vazivewo.What is Zimbabwean about The Royal Charter or to put it mildly, what is British about The Zimbabwe Bird?Nyika yakarwirwa nevana vevhu, vakafira ivhu not Parliament.
There is no freedom in political independence when the hand that runs the economy is not affiliated.
Omuhle • n/a
Subject: n/a
Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:28:58 • Zimbabwe for ZImbabweans, SADC for...... AU for......
Isn't this the same Thabo Mbeki who said let the Zimbabweans solve their own problems? Isn't this the same Mugabe who said we are a sovereign nation. Isn;t this the same Charamba who said Kenya is Kenya, the model for conflict resolution in Kenya will not work in Zimbabwe?
I can tell you where we are headed. not for civil war, not for elections or a govt of national unity. Instead we are headed for Mugabe and ZANU PF forcing the world to agree he is right and release fund to him so he can ride trough the streets of Harare on a white horse claiming to be the messiah come to deliver his people from the yoke of oppression and starvation, albeit caused by his own policies. Somone said earlier you do not evict someone from a house you want by throwing a grenade. yet that is exactly what Mugabe did in hounding out the white farmers and taking over the farms. Besides what kind of person uses such language as evict and throw grenade? Violence seems to be the norm nowadays among Zimbabweans.
Changamire Dombo • ChangamireDombo@rocketmail.com
Subject: Hezvo Nhasi Tiri Papi?
Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:20:14 • VanaZuma, kubangopa ma-deadline, chaburwa hapana.
Tsvangison is a horse, nomatter how many times you bring him to the well (of wisdom and progress!) he won't be forced to drink (even if he is thirsty too!)
Our solution is in Harare, kumbeya-mbeya kuri kuitwa nevarume ava kutambisa nguva, kuteya nzou nerihwa chaiko uku. Kudzingirira mhepo neshiri dziri kubhururuka.
Think about this, is it really necessary to be told by others what to do, are our leaders so stupid enough not to be able to come up with a solution or somebody is just mucking up?
Nguva hatichina veduwe-e!
Hamadziripi Simbaneuta • tedhama@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Operation where did you vote?(wavhotera ani?)
Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:34:39 • SADC ,Africa Union and the United Nations confirmed that June 27 elections were not free and fair, what else do you need.Check the reports , the problem with ZANU PF they don't look themselves on the mirror.Beating and breaking an eleven months baby's legs because the parents are supporting MDC.Can you not see your ego has gone too far.
Now the talks has failed , see what happens.Bush did not destroy Forum,Zum,DP,Sithole and ZAPU but Zanu did and thats not right.I don't care what Bush says about his ego but I am a Zimbabwean who feels beimg suppressed by Zanu thugs.
I promise you no matter your tactics the curtain is closing down on you.You will pay dearly.
DEMOCRACY WILL PREVAIL IN ZIMBABWE WHETHER DODGE ZANU PF LIKES OR NOT.
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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:18:04 • Hamadziripi I found your last contribution on this site a bit better than what you had posted prior to my scathing contribution about your intellect. However, this last contribution from you was not well thought out and still betrays a dogmatic slant towards the MDC's politics of subservience and selling out. Your leader Tsvangson has been freely holding rallies throughout the country telling imbeciles like him why he is still stalling on the deal. He used the much criticised travel document to go to Botswana to consult with the unelected chief of that country who is now posing as head of state (note the small letters on head of state = shows what power they wield in the region) yet thru his ignorant spokesperson Sibotshiwe had seen it as belittlement. Just remember the man is rubbish
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Subject: MaZimba
Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:42:36 • Taurai. Khulumani.Hamadziripi Simbaneuta. Don't cry foul my man. You are tasting your own medicine. Think before you say something.If you say we are being forced to support Zanu Pf then qualify your claims. Food for thought wamai. If Bush says if you don't vote MDC sanctions will stay. If Tsvangirai is not President will surffer and one day we shall bomb you like we have done in Iraq and other countries. Its either you are with us or with them' Is this not forcing us to bring MDC into power?
Saka iwe haufungi. Vakutuka ava varikuti aiwa muZim munoda kutaurirana. Iwe urikuti aiwa we want war between Shona and Ndebele. Saka usacheme because you don't think. You are speaking other people's minds. You keep repeating Brown and Bush's speeches on this forum.
If you want to occupy a house you don't evict the current tenant by throwing a grennade. Hauna pekuzogara.
Hamadziripi Simbaneuta • tedhama@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Democracy must prevail in Zimbabwe no matter how Mugabe and Tsvangirai leads their parties
Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:27:57 • Advocating for democracy does not mean whatever Tsvangirai has said is right.But in our country there is no environment where people can discuss their political views freely. They are not even allowed to pray for their country, can you blame that on sanctions.Its obvious you point the person who is responsible with the government.I have not campaigned for sanctions either but what I am saying is lets start the respect within ourselves then we can be able to fight evil forces from outside together.
But what you are failing to understand is that our political freedom was taken from us by one political party which is illegitimately governing us.A good example is the current deal, do you think that Zanu pf by grabbing all key ministries are they negotiating in good faith?You might say I am not intelligent but when we say sharing power equally does not need me to get a rocket to go to the Moon to search for that.It does not even need me to go to Britain the mother of English to understand that.Ladies and Gentleman lets be realistic of our situation.
Our people are dying of starvation yet there are non governmental organisations ready to assist us with food and medication, they are told they to sloganeer the Zanu slogans?Why ?Why?Why?
I am pointing where the problem is, there is no need for pampering the evil.
We don't need American or British democracy, we want our own democracy but that has to be from the will of the people of Zimbabwe.How can we have it when an Army General declaring that he will not salute people's choice.Can you tell me that people are free to discuss or protest to the government without being arrested.The reality of the situation is that we are a colony of Zanu Pf leadership , we want our freedom back as a nation.
Having said all this , I am not saying Tsvangirai is perfect.But we as Zimbabweans we want our freedom to choose who to vote for without being threatened.There is no freedom of choice , that does not need America and Britain to come and organise that.
Give people the respect they deserve not to think on behalf of them thats abuse.
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Subject: Negotiations
Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:41:56 • Hamadziripi Simbaneuta- The problem some of us posters are having with your contributions are that you seem to blame one man and the present govt for all Zim ills.That stance does not give the full picture.
You cannot analyse the situation in Zim in isolation without reference to external factors impinging on the country. You do not appear to address the effect of sanctions on the economy and their impact on the welfare of ordinary Zims.You do not try to analyse whether the West's support of the opposition is benevolent or whether they have other ulterior motives like control of Zim resources.
When we look at established democracies like those of US and the UK, you will find that there are lots of defranchised sections of the community. When these countries change govts, certain thing are sacrosanct and do not change i.e foreign policy and protection of national interests etc.In the Zim situation, you seem to want to throw out the bath water and the baby as well.
We also question why the so called mature democracies have not served their minority groups well. If we take the example of the US, African-Americans are struggling and are treated as second class citizens in their own country of birth. We then wonder why the US is very keen on exporting its kind of democracy to Zim when it clearly does not serve the minority groups in the US. Is it the US loves the black Zims more than their own blacks? Yes Obama has been elected as the next president of the US. Is that a symbolic gesture or real change? The jury is still out.You also mention that the Zim problem should be referred to the UN. Zim does not pose a threat to international peace and the UN mandate strictly prohibits the interference in the internal matters of a member state. Zims, whatever their political persuasion are essentially brothers and sisters. Why can't they sit around the table and resolve their differences instead forever playing to the international gallery. Why do you want another Lord Soames for?
Changamire Dombo • ChangamireDombo@rocketmail.com
Subject: What Works Is All I Want.
Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:15:44 • You may argue all you like and despise each other to Hell and back but all I ask for is that which works in my given environment.
Democracy does not work everywhere. Tsvangirai and Democracy are two rails going in the same direction and no points at whatever or whichever junction can make them meet. He is too authoritarian to be considered to run a democratic institution. MDC anotoiita yemuhombodo make waani. Ever heard shoko rekuti, Kitchen Cabinet?
Worse still, how often has he said one thing and done the opposite and also differ with his colleagues vatinoziva while siding nemaMasters ake vatisingazive?
In democratic places, if you contest and lose, zvatopera for you because you have failed. Don't tell me kuti akabirirwa, akatadzawo nei kuba kubvira kare kose kaamirira seCandidate?
If he was democratic, he would have long passed the baton so, shut up and forget about democracy muMDC.
Elsewhere, leaders come and go but muZANU nemuMDC havabve kudakara rufu, saka vari nane ndevapi pavaviri ava? HAPANA. Better the Devil we know!
Beware of what you wish for, Tsvangison is Badison, bad news chaidzo!
Hamadziripi Simbaneuta • tedhama@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Proud to be Black and Respect people of all colours
Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:47:33 • I thank Mr/s Editor for publishing comments.To the unknown who has decided its right for him or her to abuse me that you are so filthy arrogant.What is intelligence in betraying the nation their rights.You need to question you intellegents, abusing people???I am proud of the intentions of liberation struggle but I would not tolerate Self serving attitudes of Dodge ZANU PF.
Whether you like it or not DEMOCRACY WILL PREVAIL IN YOU EYES.
We are not afraid with you ways of intimidating.You and you arrogant friends will go to hell.ZIMBABWE WILL SEE THE GLORY.
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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:21:13 • I think it is a disgrace for you Mr Editor to publish sentiments of the like written by Hamadziripi Simbaneuta who is blatantly unintelligent and has a boring deep lack of patriotism. Can you redirect this idiot to that other website run by Geoff Nyarota or the Zimtownship one where racists and tribalists congregate without shame. How can this nincompoop think that Zanu(pf) is an illegitimate political party yet it is the one in govt! Is he so brainwashed to the extent that he has become braindead and cannot see the wood for the trees? Shame on him and his Tsvangson. For he will never rule Zimbabwe and we will ensure that he is stopped at all costs Barack Obama or no Barack Obama on his side. For some of us we know these traitors abound in their droves as they seek the whiteman's approval since they lack confidence in their blackness!
Changamire Dombo • ChangamireDombo@rocketmail.com
Subject: Dzaswerepi?
Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:35:04 • Aiwa, isu vamwe tinozotenda dzanwa nokuti kwadzaswera munokuziva mese.
Dzaswera nebenzi!
Maybe, mapenzi makuru chaiwo!!
Tongomira negumbo rimwe, tongadiiko?
Hamadziripi Simbaneuta • tedhama@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: The only way SADC has to intervene and dictate the pace because the poltical parties have failed
Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:42:24 • I am suprised by some so called Political Analyst who are moaning about South Africa' s decision to be tough.How long for the people of Zimbabwe will wait whislt conspiracies being remodelled and invented at the expense of their will.These Analyst have to understand the Negotiating , which Zanu Pf does not understand at all.
The best way is we need the new Lord Soames from SADC and we start afresh.Zimbabwe has no government at all and I don't see the Inclusive Government being succesful looking at the way ZANU PF is behaving.SADC has to appeal to Africa Union and United Nation to to set up an interim Government that will instal peace.Zanu PF 's soldiers has to be kept their barracks and disarmed then we start a new politica process working with the current parliament setting up a constitution.
This illegal regime of Zanu pf has to be dissolved and United Nation has to give us an Administrator thats the only way forward.
The SADC if it let Zanu PF continues , its going to be a disaster , already they have now started attacking MDC supporters in rural areas.This has to stop people have to choose whom to support not to be intimidated.
You can negotiate with someone who is willing to listen your point of view.But the problem with Zanu PF is that the majority of Zimbabwe has no right, its only leadership of Zanu who can decide for Zimbabwe, that is not acceptable and it has to stop right now.
We don't want a Dynasty Leadership in Zimbabwe , the nation has to choose.If Zanu wants Dynasty Leadership in their own party they can do it, but not to force it to Zimbabwean people.
I encourage South Africa and other SADC states take a strong stance for people of Zimbabwe to have democratic government not an Elite Gangster government.
DEMOCRACY IS A MUST HAVE IT FOR PEOPLE OF ZIMBABWE, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LOOSE IT.
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