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Pachatofamunhu Chete • N/A
Subject: N/A
Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:22:01 • N/A! At long last WHITEY has spoken! We say to you, GO AND HANG! Keep your dirty filthy lucre to yourselves! Zimbabwe does not need anything from Broken Britain, a Britain that has now started to print money in order to try and stem a failing financial system. A system that has failed due to untold corruption and theft! You no longer have any resources and big companies that you can call your own since you sold all these to foreigners in the mistaken belief that you had become a ''global financial centre''! My foot! With nothing to your name, a largely collapsing economy, high unemployment rate creeping up and signs of a debilitating national debt rising, you think you can re-colonise Zim using that hopelessly incompetent and uneducated fool Tsvangson? You should have another THINK coz your hatred for us and your desire for our resources gives us the strength to resist your stupid shenanigans at every turn! With leaders like Gordon Brown, Sarkozy, George Bush and the incoming W.I.B (white in a blackface) Obama, it is no wonder that your regime change agenda failing! Why? Its called lack of leadership! In the West this leadership is being encouraged and supported by ignoramuses who have pretty no idea as to what the present day African mindset is like. Knuckleheads like you N/A who supported the war in Iraq and Afghanistan thinking that you can simply walk into other peoples countries carrying your guns and walk out again without anything happening to you! In Zim try that and we will show you like we showed you before you realised it was a good idea to give us that which belongs to us, our INDEPENDENCE! This we are prepared to die fighting for in its defence! So bugger off and go and have a hip joint replacement you member of a disjointed race! May your rotten white soul fry in HELL where the majority of you SPOOKS belong! There is nothing human about you people, just murderers and sick people without any sense of humanity at all. Life is all about shopping, binge drinking and sex and nothing else. This time around for the forseeable future, N/A, you are going to know what it is that is called suffering, and can binge drink, fornicate but no shopping, due to the CREDIT CRUNCH. We hope this progresses into a DEPRESSION as we here in Zimbabwe have suffered sanctions induced hardships from you lot and we can only wish you the same! This greatest equaliser will see you squirm and turn like the resourcelless and broke little islanders you are! Next time stay out of our politics you bloody P--FTER!
Patrick Fletcher • hajray@gmail.com
Subject: N/A
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:03:13 • N/A, you talk about what is not in the nature of the west. Let me tell you as an African that the devil has nothing over your type, let me qualify that, you are the devil in the flesh. Africans understand you, and see you for what you are, we just don't want any part of you.
serres • jjtaylor98@yahoo.com
Subject: We in the West
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:16:25 • N/A is typical of the populations of the West. He has been brainwashed by his government into thikning they are somehow superior. The fact that we have an appointed House of Lords, that Gordon Brown has a mandate when only just over a third of teh voting public voted for him, that we are trying to pass laws that lock people up for 28 days without trial etc etc.
I came to this site because I was so utterly appalled at the one sided nature of Britain's media coverage of Zimbabwe. It is interesting to note that most people in Britain would be utterly convinced that sanctions are a good thing, yet I hear them constantly condemend on this site, ie by the very people they are suppoesed to help.
n/a • n/a
Subject: Inclusive govt
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:47:19 • To listen to us, the West - Are we detecting a whiff of hypocrisy here? How many Kenyans were killed in the last Kenyan elections and how many were displaced? Conservative figures of 1500 (killed) and 300,000 displaced have been bandied about. But did these atrocities prevent the West from legitimising the power sharing govt of Kibaki and Odinga that was the outcome of Annan's facilitation efforts. Of course not. Did the West impose any sanctions on Kenya because of the pre and post election violence? Of course not. If anything, it has been business as usual. Raila Odinga is being wined and dined in the western capitals without any scrutiny of his involvement in the Kenyan pre/post election fiasco.
Did the majority of Zimbabweans ask the West to impose the so called targeted sanctions (which apparently are not) that have devastated our livelihoods and caused untold suffering and precipitated a humanitarian crisis in our country? Of course not. We the ordinary Zims have no quarrel with the ordinary British, the ordinary American or the ordinary European citizen. We have a problem, however, with what the govts of these countries are doing in their citizens' name. You have also inferred that you have checks and balances in your system of govt in the UK, that is fine but has it not taken you over 1000 years to come up with your system of democracy. Would you say its perfect? Why are you comparing a system that is a mere 28 years old with one that is more than 1000 years old? How many wars have been fought in the UK and how many lives have been lost over the many centuries as you have tried to perfect your system. If your learning curve has extended to over a 1000 years, why do you expect new democracies (less than 30 years) to be at the same level of development as your system? On one hand, you state that it is the prerogative of Zims to put in place a govt that they want but on the other hand you state that any political outcome that includes the incubent president will not be acceptable to the West. You are not giving us a choice here but are holding a gun to Zims heads and dictating to us what we should do or else face the consequences.Is that a carrot and stick approach you are utilising here? Is that your definition of democracy? It sounds like bully boy tactics to me. Nobody is denying the generosity of your citizens and their wish to help in order to alleviate the suffering. Our question is that since you seem to be well versed on the humanitarian crisis in Zim, why are your govts still hell bent on imposing sanctions that have largely precipitated this humanitarian crisis in the first place? Might a cynic conclude that it is regime change via mass starvation? Surely providing humanitarian assistance whilst still applying sanctions is akin to putting a flimsy plaster on a gaping wound. Unless the fundamentals are put in place i.e balance of payment support and lines of credit made accessible by lifting of the sanctions, the humanitarian crisis will remain as such. In any politically polarised environment, it make sense to have a govt of unity. Was that not the rationale behind the power sharing agreement brokered in Kenya? For Zim, an inclusive govt that reflects the political divide is a sensible way forward. You are entitled to your opinion that we do not understand the West. Maybe we do or maybe we don't. However, we are baffled when we see other trouble spots such as Darfur, Somalia, DRC, Haiti where the West appears not to apply its humanitarian interventions consistently. We wonder why Zimbabwe only? What is it about Zimbabwe that has kept it on international headlines for ten years?Are the Zimbabweans more special than those of Darfur, Somalia, DRC, Haiti or is there more than meets the eye? The jury is still out on that.
Omugabe • Dziva@sanandresano.com
Subject: Look Inward & Look East for Self-development, Zim Patriots!
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:13:12 • http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=6324068&page=1
See above: African woman killed in America by white man; because she was Black.
The bigot, Carter, has his own problems back in America.
Carter and the other devil worshiper, Kofi, should go to America and see to the rights of African people in that racist country!
Stay strong, Zim Patriots. You make ALL alert Africans proud when you stand up to the racist evil emanating from Europe in the form of evil 'elders'.
Mhofeti • pasizw@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Listen to us, the west
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:01:29 • N/A thanks for your comments and here is my response to you.
1. Just fascinated by your statement that we don't understand you as if you have the right to be understood. Why not we don't understand each other?
2. You are the first person I've heard suggesting that Mugabe needs rescuing, from what? It's the ordinary Zimbabweans who no longer have access to basic needs because of sanctions.
3. You say your government doesn't have any power, how come they are in a position to tell zimbabweans who should heard their acceptable government?
4. Isn't is ironic that western governments don't have any African interference in the running of their domestic politics but the west just can't resist keeping out?
5. Who are you referring to when you say ... if the old faces of oppression are still in power in your country, never hope of any substantive changes to our attitude?
6. Have you ever imagined how the UK economy would fare without credit lines and balance of payments for more than six years but be eligible for aid?
It's understandable if your west can't help given the current global financial crisis, but please don't tell me you are trying to help by sanctions. Is it ok if we say take away your sanctions and leave us alone? I thought I should also ask.
John Katende • vrijdom@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: WEST PSEUDO-DEMOCRACY AND MORALITY
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:30:03 • N/A is champion in superficial analysis. He believe that in the west they have a real democracy. If that is so, why is it that in UK 0.001% of the population owes 90% of the land? Why is it that the minorities (eg african europeans) in the west are almost ZERO represented in economics and politics? If you look deeper u will notice that democracy always come with economic emancipation and that's all. Now i do not have to give u a history lesson about how the so called west got their economic muscles. Also WE DO NOT NEED YOUR BLOODY STOLEN SINFULL MONEY. All Zim needs is the removal of this criminal, ilegal and ridiculous sanctions. So the might west does not suppor ditators??? Ah Ah Ah Ah? Kekekeke! In which world a u living. WAKE UP.
N/a • n/a
Subject: n/a
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:03:09 • You the West, just remove the sanctions and keep quiet. That would help us more.
All the same thanks for your contribution.
N/A • N/A
Subject: LISTEN TO US, THE WEST.
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:52:12 • Most of your opinions are about your MDC joining in government with your Zanu Pf. We have no problems with that. You are free to form whatever government you want, after all, it is your country. But if you think that we, in the West, would spend our money on rescuing your Mugabe, then you are mistaken. I HAVE REALISED THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND US AT ALL. We will never support any political leader who uses any kind of violence to gain political advantage. It is not in our nature. Secondly, our governments do not own power like some individuals do in Africa. The ordinary people, through our Parliaments, have the power. Any political leader who goes against the ordinary person will almost certainly lose such power. This is by way of convention. Unlike your country Zimbabwe, in the United Kingdom we do not have a written constitution. Power is divided among institutions like the executive (government), the judiciary, Parliament ( Legislature) and the Monarch (ceremonial but important). Yet our system sustains the rule of law. I have noted the call for a new constituion in your country and I am drwan to wonder whether some people actually think that having a written document (constitution) will result in your institutions of power ensuring the freedoms which are being enjoyed in Western Countries. There is nothing wrong with your current constitution. The only problem is that individuals who have power in your country choose as to when and where they should take the written constitution seriously. They feel very powerful that they do not need the constitution. Your Minister of justice and your Attorney General are always working to find ways in which your current government can manipulate your written document in their favour. When issues favourable to themselves occur and where the written document supports them, they are quick to proclaim that THE CONSTITUION OF ZIMBABWE ALLOWS US/HIM TO ACT IN THIS MANNER, as if the same people had been abiding with that document all along. So, to cut a long story short, the West will not worst its money when you have men in power who do not care for the ordinary citizens, men who are prepared to kill to be Members of Parliament. How many of your citizens have died in this year's Elections? Like I said, you can form your government of National Unity, but if the old faces of oppression are still in power in your country, never hope for any substantive changes to our attitude. Ordinary citizens in our country will never accept that. They are upset and seeing the suffering of fellow human beings, that is why they are donating money towards aid and the alleviating of human suffering. Your country deserves better. You have intelligent people all over the world and there is no reason why you cannot have a beutiful and prosperous nation proud to be on its feet again. I thought I should just mention it. Good luck.
Pachatofamunhu Chete • n/a
Subject: n/a
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:46:49 • Mudhara wedu BOB maworesa! Tinodada naye manje! At 84 years and still showing the world that in politics he is still the sharpest knife in the drawer is just amazing dhara! Ana Carter! Ana Annan nekachembere kaya kepanext door, munombomuziva here uyu? His name is Karigamombe, he can see thru all your little tricks! ''Elders''? What ''Elders''? The faces of a failed regime change agenda come to shed crocodile tears for a people whom you have been systematically killing just so as to enable yourselves to have the right to pillage and loot their resources in a bid to energise and keep afloat your corruption riddled and bankrupt economies? No way! We will forever see thru your tricks and the concept of ''Elders'' does not work here in Zim. Maybe elsewhere! We went thru the Mugabe education system, perfected and structured in way to hold dear the spirit of pan-Africanism that seems to have been extinguished in most parts of Africa! We will revive that from Zimbabwe! Isnt it very interesting that people who want to destroy economies of other countries in order to subjugate them when theirs fail, they dont want to withstand the kind of hardships that those they have sanctioned are going thru! And we have Annan a so-called son of Africa playing a key role in all this? Shame on the Ghanaian!
miriam hutu • mims@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: mdc do not be forced
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:31:49 • My suggestion to Mdc is to forget about the Gnu. Guys if you take this deal with muagabe madzva. The elders why cant they advise mugabe to step down or suggest for new elections. Mdc do not be fooled. The elders are saying they are not involved in politics but suddenly they are commenting. Siyanai nazvo.
n/a • n/a
Subject: MDC T
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:17:32 • Hanzi tamba-tamba chidembo muswe ndakabata. Chidembo ndianiko?
Abel • abel.mudi@yahoo.com
Subject: wait and see
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:24:07 • Some in the MDC-T would like to see the temple totally collapse so that they can rebuid it in three days. I dont know how long they are going to wait. The collapse they are expecting may have occurred long time ago but they did not notice it. The Junta can continue in these conditions for the next four years till the next election. Zimbas will just adapt. Maimboti zvaoma muna 2003 before Gono came but today we are in 2008 and mudhara is still going strong. Dai makangwara maMDStas mapinda muGNU mazoona matrick manyowani mapinda not to continue with the failed tricks.
Patrick Fletcher • hajray@gmail.com
Subject: MDC-T urged to enter into all-inclusive govt
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:44:48 • Tsvangirai, found himself in a tight place right now and there is no room for him to maneuver, he has no options left but to be part of the all inclusive government or perish into political oblivion and obscurity. The west can not help him out of this. Well played President Mugabe, once again you have demonstrated the gamesmanship that is only fitting of am ancient race and people that goes far beyond elders.
Faraway • zim.crisis@gmail.com
Subject: Home Affairs must go to MDC
Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:30:13 • All very honourable by the Elders to suggest to seal the deal quickly. But let's face it, does anyone really believe that Mugabe and his tribe would really and honestly share anything with Morgan?
Morgan insists on sole control the Home affairs ministry for one reason, and one reason only .....so that that the MDC will have some protection from the Zanu PF thugs who will take them out one by one until no one is left. I think it is a very reasonable request.
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