Sadc backs US$10bill Zimbabwe plan

Front row, from left: Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete, Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe, King Mswati III of Swaziland and South African President Kgalema Motlanthe pose for a family photo in Mbabane, Swaziland, on March 30, 2009 during a summit of the 15-nation Southern African Development Community (SADC) Summit. Political unrest in Madagascar took center stage at a special regional summit in Swaziland where leaders were also set to finalize an economic recovery package for Zimbabwe. Previous - Next

yatusa • yasmj@gmail.com
Subject: Never ever
Sun, 05 Apr 2009 02:54:53 • Hmmmm not sure though how Togarepi will respond to WISEMAN. I am not trying to be his advocate.

I am not after insulting you WISEMAN but just felt I could make a contribution. First and important of all, we should stop this hate language which seems to have sunk its roots so deep in us to an extant that we have all lost focus and we can not even remember our own names. I find it strange though that someone could defend HUGO's contribution and yet he has also used such words like fools in his article. You have on every turn called zanoid those who have sent in articles with a different view from yours and you take it upon to correct Togarepi. But without taking anything from you If you are now climbing down then the better for ZIM. But you ask him not to accuse yet in your own article you accuse certain people in ZIM of various crimes which you don't have evidence on. So who is fooling who?

Zimbabwe is divided its true. But who is to blame for the divisions? Its the very people you want us to believe that they love us. They use the obvious divide and rule tactics. Even during the war this why Muzorewa became Prime Minister and renamed the country Zimbabwe Rhodesia. This was a tactic. This is why when we were in school our history was always to do with the Ndebele Shona wars. Nothing about the first chimurenga where the Africans combined forces to fight the white settler invasions. While some of us see no good in an African Zimbabwean we see both good and bad. We are able to analyse and say this is good. It appears mostly we bring up issues that would have been published in foreign papers New York Times, Daily Telegraph. And other hostile online publications. My question is do we have first hand information about what is happening in our country or we base on these papers. We twist information in order for it to suit our own agendas.This GNU is working. Its there to stay like it or not. Prophets of doom you can wail and howl as much as you can and no amount of crocodile tears will stop us. Backwards never.

Most of the regime change lunatics want to see Mugabe and Tsvangirai at each other's throats and they want to see chaos through and through and they are a disappointed lot hence will stop at nothing to make sure chaos rules. Never is a good word because we have seen light and we are determined than ever to build this country.Tsvangirai has described the President as a good man. Biti has said people don't understand this man. these are the people in opposition and so what more do we want to keep fighting and destroying or to build before much damage is inflicted?

We must not spend time on counter productive issues instead we have to put forward suggestions that build our country.We can spend the whole period of this GNU firing people and replacing them with opposition carders but who said opposition members are not corrupt? Some of these people are ex-zanu. Are they holly now because they have jumped ship.?

I recall when Prof Moyo left zanu to contest as independent. Hoods of MDC supporters thronged he High court in Bulawayo hero worshiping him. Even at rallies leaders in MDC praised him and we were told he is informing us about all the zanu tricks and so on. No sooner had he announced at a press conference that he was not joining a party of losers and neither does he subscribe to the idea of selling out the country that he was called all sorts of names. If he had joined MDC, he would be hero today. Its useless to keep on accusing this and that one.

Lets build Zimbabwe. Lets start now sending in suggestions. These useless topics being brought up like Service chiefs, Gono, AG, Mugabe, etc will not bring bread and butter.

togarepi mavhiyangwena • tog@yahoo.com
Subject: Rubatsiro
Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:21:16 • Thanks WISEMAN. I do appreciate your advice. On the same note please be advised that I am not an Ex-combatant. During the war I was still doing my primary education but was old enough to now recount the horrors of the liberation war.I don't rely on hassy information. I witnessed and even today am still traumatised by some of the things i witnessed being done by Rhodesian soldiers.

Apart from this WISEMAN. I know we have never agreed on several issues here. Its healthy to debate issues and it has to be constructive and must have facts and unbiased. If you go back to HUGO's article you will realise that he also used words like shameless fools. I am a Zimbabwean. I am proud of being a Zim. I never tell people I am a SA wherever I go like some people do.We have been praying for peace and urging our leaders to seat down and talk and come out with an agreement to work together for the benefit of the country and this is what has happened. I feel insulted and fell our being is also being insulted when certain malcontents keep rubbishing whatever effort we do as Africans. What is in place is good for us now. Its a starting point.True the cabinet is too big. But is it by choice or by design? The government has indicated that elections are likely in two years. At the moment they are busy working on the new constitution which will lead us to many dos and don'ts. So if we are failing to see this then what more do we want?

Why are certain people bitter on the current situation in Zimbabwe? There is a special reason. Some where becoming millionaires over night and they are bitter and hence never wanted to see any order in the country. These are the same people on the blame game and any right minded person can not just say, yes sir to these kind of sabotage.

Ask people in this country today they will tell you zvinhu zvava nani mari yako chete This is a sign to show we are getting somewhere. WISEMAN its always easy to destroy and it has never been easy to rebuild. This is the time, if we are all from ZIMBABWE to come up with good alternatives. Leaders read these papers and am sure if you come with a good suggestion they may pick it up. What is the point of telling us Tsvangirai is now part of them.Who are these them? Mugabe is blah blah. Blah what? Recycled and boring issues some of them very much unfounded keep on being posted here day in day out.

My question to you dear brother WISEMAN. What alternatives do we have for this great country?. Are we there just to criticise? To me politicians are not holly. They all have made mistakes which are costly. Now that all of them have seen the light, what do we want them to do? If you insult then expect the same. If you criticise constructively then we move forward. Most of our contributions are to fuel hate and discontent in this country.We are lucky we are not at war like what other fools were aggitating for.

So lets send e-mails to our Mps. Lets contribute here positively. Lets criticise constructively we will build.Supporting the crush and burn mentality will be selling out my country. That I will never do. I repeat Wiseman. Never ever will Zimbabwe be a colony again.

Lastly my friend. The issue of land is very contecious in this country. Its wrong as you put it the way the issue was handled. But is it wrong to resettle Africans on fertile land? Why does it have to be Whites.? I once travelled to BUHERA to bury a workmate in a village known as Mukuchu. I was so saddened to note my friend's parents were settled in a mountain by Smith and they can hardly plant and harvest two buckets of whatever. I can see a war breaking out in this country if the land issue is not resolved or is reversed. I personally don't see why a normal person thinks white British descents are the only people who should farm in Zimbabwe. Give the African inputs,the same support which was given to the whites when they forcibly took the land from blacks and lets see if my uncles and sawiras will fail to produce.There were no inputs to use for farming. Sanctions caused all shops to be empty. Lets see if rains fall this coming season and all inputs made available in shops if the African famer will fail.I don't buy the stuipid idea that whites are superior to Africans inside Zimbabwe and therefore must get preferatial treatment.If these guys had agreed to sell part of their farms I am sure this madness would not be there in Zimbabwe today.To say we should stop refering to history makes no sense. What kind of a people are we if we can't trace our history.?

We are a model. We will succeed. What do you think?

Wise Man • N/A
Subject: N/a
Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:22:58 • Togarepi, do you know Hugo and goodpeople in person? If not, how do you know that they were among those whom you 'routed out of Zimbabwe' (I assume you are a war veteran or contributed positively to the war, just an assumption), or that they told the world that no african will stand against whites? I think it is important to criticise whatever a person is saying rather than basing attacks on assumptions. Instead of telling Hugo that he is stupid, why dont you just react to his assertion that the cabinet is bloated or that there are some individuals who milked the country. I am not saying I share the same view, but I dont think it is fair to insult people without faulting their arguements first.
Zimbabweans are divided Togarepi. This never ever slogan is always misplaced.

togarepi mavhiyangwena • tog@yahoo.com
Subject: Black or white
Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:03:07 • Good people and Hugo. You have been writing unfounded claims and you recycle your stories like waste paper companies do the recycling of paper. Why for once you can not keep silent for a while and research facts before coming back to contribute is every one's guess.

What exactly is your motive? To show that you are ou of ouch with reality, you ignore the fact that SA immediately gave $30million USD. So what are you saying? Your wish o see Africa going down on its knees is just one of your night mare dreams. Equally you go to hell and fry as many frogs as you can consume. Your dreams will never come true just like they never came true when you predicted that his country would crush and burn within 6 months. How many years have gone by since that prediction? Do you actually come from Zimbabwe or you are just one of those rabid racists or Tom boys the McGee's?

How many of the EU countries have visited Zimbabwe to seal some deals by today since the inclusive govt. How much has been released and how much in pledges towards the country? So you are he drunk together with this equally stuipid HUGO.

You will never divide Zimbabwe. Never ever. Makatozvitadza. When he leaders of this country are talking listen to them carefully. Giving aid does not just involve giving money. If you friend is in need, a bucket of maize or a 2kg of salt is aid.

If the DRC decides to second two neurosurgeons to Pari hosp for a year thus aid. The money we were supposed to hire private surgeons can then be channeled to other areas. Mozambique donating 2 tonnes of say rice, Malawi sending in fish, Botswana donkeys for use in drought prone areas then is aid and we can make savings hen focus on other areas needing attention.Secondment of science and maths teachers is aid.

Viva Africa.Don't talk o us as if we are deaf and dump. We know where we are going and coming from. When we took up arms you told the world no African can stand the might of an equipped white army. We routed you out of Zimbabwe and we will still thrash you today. This is our country and we will prevail.

Raving white cow thanks for that article. We are aware in Zimbabwe that its not all whites who are cruel but a few who still regard Rhodes like a God. This is why we have Guy Gluon buried at the Heroes archer today.Timohy Stamps has been with us from colonial to date he has stood solidly behind us.

goodpeople • n/a
Subject: getting the money
Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:21:07 • Haha, all great to talk about it and agree to it, getting the money is a total different thing.

I hope i am wrong, but i see the SADC agreement as next to usless! Like a drunk person offering a million dollars to another drunk person, with both drunk people lucky to scrap 20 cents{5 trillion Zimbabwe} between them.
Money talks and in this economic climate African countries will be lucky to hold there head above water, let alone give money to a neighbour!
The ones that burnt there bridges are going to be the hardest hit!
If there is not some major coups in Africa over the next few years, i will be very shocked!
Africa is about to see its worst financial time in 50 years and the donations that usually come will not come!
The nest 5 years will be the worst in Africa's history, anyone that doubts it is kidding themselves!
There is no way to stand alone in this as it affects all, rich and poor, the poor in much harder ways!
There is no way known that Zimbabwe can get better or even stay the same with the current economic climate that will last for the next 3-5 years at minimum.

I truly feel for the good people of Zimbabwe as they have just started to see how bad it is going to be over the next 3-5 years.
There is no bright star for any country in this world except those that are respected the world over and have plenty of cash in reserve. There is only one ore two of these countries in the world!

goodpeople • n/a
Subject: getting the money
Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:20:06 • Haha, all great to talk about it and agree to it, getting the money is a total different thing.

I hope i am wrong, but i see the SADC agreement as next to usless! Like a drunk person offering a million dollars to another drunk person, with both drunk people lucky to scrap 20 cents{5 trillion Zimbabwe} between them.
Money talks and in this economic climate African countries will be lucky to hold there head above water, let alone give money to a neighbour!
The ones that burnt there bridges are going to be the hardest hit!
If there is not some major coups in Africa over the next few years, i will be very shocked!
Africa is about to see its worst financial time in 50 years and the donations that usually come will not come!
The nest 5 years will be the worst in Africa's history, anyone that doubts it is kidding themselves!
There is no way to stand alone in this as it affects all, rich and poor, the poor in much harder ways!
There is no way known that Zimbabwe can get better or even stay the same with the current economic climate that will last for the next 3-5 years at minimum.

I truly feel for the good people of Zimbabwe as they have just started to see how bad it is going to be over the next 3-5 years.
There is no bright star for any country in this world except those that are respected the world over and have plenty of cash in reserve. There is only one ore two of these countries in the world!

Hugo • hycon3yahoo.com
Subject: na
Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:41:23 • This is not the first time money has been given to Zimbabwe. I guess billions of such money flowed into Zimbabwe since 1980 but what have we to show for it? A disgustingly wealthy few who include Munangagwa, Mujuru, Mugabe and Gono! Indeed these shameless fools will continue to milk Zimbabwe dry and leave our grandchildren with the debt.

Now that the party has been elarged to 71 , indeed Zimbabwe will never be a country again!

Even in Nigeria where the their population far exceeds Zimbabwe's by over a 1000 percent they do not have such a big cabinet even with abundant oil wealth.

This is surely testimony to SADC's ineptitude and indeed general deficiency in African leaders!

n/a • n/a
Subject: Sadc
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:25:43 • Many thanks to our Sadc brothers and sisters who have stood by us in out time of need. Zimbabwe has stood by our Sadc partners in their hour of need as well.Sadc, united we stand and divided we fall. Lets strengthen the union even further. Our many thanks to the gallant son of Zimbabwe, President Robert Mugabe for his foresight and all the battles he has fought to date.We want to thank comrade Mbeki for his steadfast and quiet diplomacy. Mbeki will be in the annals of African history as one of the great Africans of our time. We also thank the South African President Kgalema Motlanthe and those in position of power in SA who have battled and continue to battle on our behalf. We also thank the leadership of the AU and each leader of the 53 African countries who have resisted the machinations of the West under very difficult circumstances. You were called all the names under the sun but you remained steadfast.
Viva Sadc and Viva Africa.We also thank our non-African friends like China, Russia, Vietnam etc who have come to our aid when it really mattered.

Sekai • na
Subject: Walking the talk
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:34:30 • SA must be saluted for, action is much better than talk, talk, talk.

Hope the money will be used wisely this time...

raving white cow • na
Subject: SUCCESS IS A WINNER!
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:28:21 • As a white reader I must say its encouraging to see all the blacks pulling together for a change in this manner. Unity is strength.
And strength is successful. and everyone in the world wants to be attached to anything that is a success (hoping some of it will rub off on them?) so if Africa can pull together like this, and be successful, then it goes without saying that the rest of the world will want to get involved.

Tisu Vatongi • tisu@hotmail.com
Subject: Progress
Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:49:58 • Tsvangson must be congratulated for this money.

I bought a loaf of bread today. Thanks Tsvangson.

The sun rose this morning, Thanks Tsvangson. Lets thank him for the fact that we are all breathing today.