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na • na
Subject: History repeating itself
Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:07:38 • Dom, I salute your determined stand against bashing from all sides because you dare to see things differently.
I am having a fascinating time comparing Mugabe's and his Zanu PF speeches and stance to those of Ian Smith and his RF in Rhodesia.
Smith and RF believed that only whites were fit to rule, blacks have inferior intellect and cannot run a country. Smith terrorised black politicians, banning their rallies, arresting them, torturing them, killing them, calling them names like terrorists, communists, etc etc. When Mugabe and Zanu PF got into power, it looked like Smith and the RF reincarnate. Mugabe and Zanu PF did the same things to opposition politicians, using the same laws they inherited from Smith plus a host of others they added on. Now anyone who dares to want to have a go at running the country is called names like agents of the west. Mugabe and Zanu PF think everyone else is stupid, they must rule for ever and think for us as well!!
You can see the Mugabe and Zanu PF mentality in people like n/a and Omugabe. Only they know what is good for all of us. Instead of respecting divergent views and listening, they want to reeducate us and they refer us to articles here and there as if we do not read and know how to research for ourselves.
Dom, take solace in the knowledge that Zimbos are not fools, we are highly educated and independent thinkers, no matter how much biased information the powers that be force on us, at the end of the day we know what is happening on the ground, we know the truth, we know who wants power for the sake of power (and looting) and who really is for the people of Zimbabwe. We know rules at the behest of the security forces and who rules by direct mandate from us the people. We know where our hearts are and who is trying to steal our hearts.
Let there be free and fair elections and the people will speak!
DOM • N/A
Subject: response
Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:40:06 • n/a,
You are obviously trying to offend me by suggesting that I need re-educating. Is that code for a 'beating'? Like all the MDC supporters needed re-educating? I am entitled to my educated opinion, as is everyone. The problem with the likes of n/a is that they believe that there is only one way of thinking, one answer, one solution, and it is their answer, their solution, their version of history - and you will be beaten for harbouring any 'foreign' opinions. That is why Zimbabwe is a broken country at the mercy of a brutal dictatorship. VP Msika said the youth are losing the war, and that the old guard has fought the battle for them. The truth is that the youth are waking up to the fact that they want freedom, prosperity, and choices - choices Zanu-PF and its post-liberation kleptocracy cannot give them.
n/a • n/a
Subject: n/a
Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:10:04 • Dom – Your comments have been noted but you seem to base your conclusions on misinformation about the Zimbabwean situation. To help you along in your re-education, you need to view the following:
A Handsome Investment Opportunity: Washington's Plan for a Post-Mugabe Zimbabwe by Stephen Gowans
July 21, 2009 - what's left (http://www.raceandhistory.com/Zimbabwe/2009/2107.html)
Gowans’ articulates well what the US has in store for Zimbabwe and this does not include the rhetoric about human rights etc but is all concerned about creating n favourable environment for private US investors like the US did in Serbia.
Planning for Post-Mugabe Zimbabwe at: www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/Zimbabwe_CSR31.pdf
Michelle D. Gavin, White House advisor to Obama and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council wrote a research paper titled Planning for Post-Mugabe Zimbabwe, CSR no. 31 October 2007 while she was a research fellow at the influential Council on Foreign Relations.
In this paper, Gavin spells out a vision for (Zimbabwe's) future and a plan for how to get there, Gavin explains how the existing roster of (Zimbabwe's) civil society leaders...lends itself to the U.S. desire to put Zimbabwe's valuable natural resources, including its farmland, up for sale to U.S. investors.” In a foreword to this publication, Richard N. Haas, President of Council on Foreign Relations, October 2007 had this to say “Planning for Post-Mugabe Zimbabwe takes a fresh but realistic look at the situation. In so doing, it offers a way to advance U.S. interests in the region….” Zimbabweans have not been at all surprised that the NGO sector funded by the West has been the fastest growing sector in Zimbabwe.
Does it not make you wonder why the US is planning the economy of Zimbabwe? Does this not explain why the former US Ambassador to Zimbabwe, McGee was availing the services of the US strategists to tutor the leaders of MDC-T party in Zimbabwe on how to run the country? The MDC-T blue print for the Zimbabwean economy is a based on a neo-liberal model favoured by corporate US.
Other articles of interest are:
British cash behind bid to combat Mugabe, Sunday May 21, 2000
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4020517,00.html
In this report, Pete Sawyer and Martin Bright point that “A prominent group of British and American politicians and businessmen - many with energy and mining interests in Zimbabwe - are behind an international organisation to fund opposition to the regime of Robert Mugabe”. Did this group of politicians and businessmen not set up the Zimbabwe Democracy Trust that has funded the MDC-T party in Zimbabwe? Have the patrons of this trust not been accused of using the trust as a cover to promote multi-national interests in Zimbabwe? Even Chester Crocker, the former US Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs is another patron who is also a director of Ashanti Gold Fields, which owns Zimbabwe's largest gold mine. Did Chester Crocker not play a very prominent role in the enactment of the US Zidera Act, 2001 which ushered in sanctions against Zimbabwe? Were these prominent groups of British and American politicians and businessmen motivated more by their desire to protect their energy and mining interests rather than the plight of the poor Zimbabweans in their anti-Mugabe and Zanu-PF rhetoric?
Zimbabwe Under Siege by Gregory Elich, August 26, 2002
http://www.swans.com/library/art8/elich004.html
Erich chronicles the land reforms in Zimbabwe well. In this article Elich stated” The average white farmer owns approximately 100 times more land than a black farmer, and the land he owns is far more suitable for agriculture. Farms belonging to the Oppenheimer family alone total an area exceeding the size of Belgium, while a great many large tracts of land belong to absentee owners. Among the absentee landowners are members of the British House of Lords and other prominent British citizens, a fact not entirely unrelated to British efforts to derail land reform.” Dom. You will be surprised by the amount of bullying African leaders were subjected to by the likes of Tony Blair in order for them to adopt an anti-Mugabe line. Elich states that “as the Extraordinary Summit of the South African Development Community (SADC) opened in Blantyre, Malawi on January 14, 2002, Great Britain threatened to withhold $18 million in budgetary support from Malawi, the chair of the SADC, unless it agreed to direct the SADC towards the imposition of sanctions against Zimbabwe.” The UK even threatened to suspend food aid to Malawi. Mbeki was also arm twisted by Blair that his vision for Africa Nepad would be dead in the water if he did not adopt an anti-Mugabe stance. To understand the underlying rationale behind the West’s anti-Zimbabwe stance, a review of an essay published by Tony Blair’s former foreign affairs advisor, Robert Cooper, calling for a new imperialism is appropriate. According to Elich, Cooper wrote The challenge of the post-modern world is to get used to the idea of double standards. Among ourselves, by which he meant the West, we operate on the basis of laws and open cooperative security. But when dealing with more old-fashioned kinds of states outside the post-modern continent of Europe, we need to revert to the rougher methods of an earlier era -- force, pre-emptive attack, deception and whatever is necessary to deal with those who still live in the nineteenth century world of every state for itself. Among ourselves, we keep the law but when we are operating in the jungle, we must also use the laws of the jungle. So there it is in black and white that when the West is dealing with states that are outside Europe, like Zimbabwe, the laws of the jungle apply and not international law. So for dealing with African states, the use of force, pre-emptive attack, deception, double standards etc are deemed justifiable strategies by the West. Is this the way democracy should be exported to non-European countries by the West? What we are witnessing is a new world order in the making, where they would be one government for the world and one army all run from the West. Africans are just being used as cannon fodder in this experiment. That is why the majority of Zimbabweans do not believe that the West truly cares for our plight otherwise it would not have imposed sanctions on a poor country that have resulted in the devastation of lives and killed millions. Were the sanctions meant to be some kind of social engineering?
Hopefully, after reading these articles you will be better informed about the real situation as the majority of Zimbabweans see it. You can then tell us whether the West’s real intention is to re-colonise Zimbabwe or has sincere altruistic reasons for this unwarranted interference. Why has Zimbabwe received more press coverage from the West than all Africa combined in the last ten years? What is so special about Zimbabwe and the Zimbabwean people?
You also mentioned about an unemployment rate of over 80% in Zimbabwe. This is a figure that is bandied about in the Western press to disguise the fact that the majority of Zimbabweans have relied on informal trading and agriculture for their main stay from time immemorial. The truth of the matter is that formal employment in Zimbabwe accounts for about 5% of the population. The majority of Zimbabweans i.e. more than 75% live in rural areas where their main occupation is farming. So this is another lie than has been peddled by the West. You also mentioned that Zimbabweans do not have the skills to manage in a modern economy. One of the greatest successes of President Mugabe and Zanu-PF has been in the field of education. Even Gavin in her paper (Planning for a Post-Mugabe Zimbabwe) had this to say that after independence “the country maintained one of the best and most far-reaching educational systems on the continent, graduating generations of young
n/a • n/a
Subject: n/a
Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:08:38 • Dom – Your comments have been noted but you seem to base your conclusions on misinformation about the Zimbabwean situation. To help you along in your re-education, you need to view the following:
A Handsome Investment Opportunity: Washington's Plan for a Post-Mugabe Zimbabwe by Stephen Gowans
July 21, 2009 - what's left (http://www.raceandhistory.com/Zimbabwe/2009/2107.html)
Gowans’ articulates well what the US has in store for Zimbabwe and this does not include the rhetoric about human rights etc but is all concerned about creating n favourable environment for private US investors like the US did in Serbia.
Planning for Post-Mugabe Zimbabwe at: www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/Zimbabwe_CSR31.pdf
Michelle D. Gavin, White House advisor to Obama and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council wrote a research paper titled Planning for Post-Mugabe Zimbabwe, CSR no. 31 October 2007 while she was a research fellow at the influential Council on Foreign Relations.
In this paper, Gavin spells out a vision for (Zimbabwe's) future and a plan for how to get there, Gavin explains how the existing roster of (Zimbabwe's) civil society leaders...lends itself to the U.S. desire to put Zimbabwe's valuable natural resources, including its farmland, up for sale to U.S. investors.” In a foreword to this publication, Richard N. Haas, President of Council on Foreign Relations, October 2007 had this to say “Planning for Post-Mugabe Zimbabwe takes a fresh but realistic look at the situation. In so doing, it offers a way to advance U.S. interests in the region….” Zimbabweans have not been at all surprised that the NGO sector funded by the West has been the fastest growing sector in Zimbabwe.
Does it not make you wonder why the US is planning the economy of Zimbabwe? Does this not explain why the former US Ambassador to Zimbabwe, McGee was availing the services of the US strategists to tutor the leaders of MDC-T party in Zimbabwe on how to run the country? The MDC-T blue print for the Zimbabwean economy is a based on a neo-liberal model favoured by corporate US.
Other articles of interest are:
British cash behind bid to combat Mugabe, Sunday May 21, 2000
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4020517,00.html
In this report, Pete Sawyer and Martin Bright point that “A prominent group of British and American politicians and businessmen - many with energy and mining interests in Zimbabwe - are behind an international organisation to fund opposition to the regime of Robert Mugabe”. Did this group of politicians and businessmen not set up the Zimbabwe Democracy Trust that has funded the MDC-T party in Zimbabwe? Have the patrons of this trust not been accused of using the trust as a cover to promote multi-national interests in Zimbabwe? Even Chester Crocker, the former US Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs is another patron who is also a director of Ashanti Gold Fields, which owns Zimbabwe's largest gold mine. Did Chester Crocker not play a very prominent role in the enactment of the US Zidera Act, 2001 which ushered in sanctions against Zimbabwe? Were these prominent groups of British and American politicians and businessmen motivated more by their desire to protect their energy and mining interests rather than the plight of the poor Zimbabweans in their anti-Mugabe and Zanu-PF rhetoric?
Zimbabwe Under Siege by Gregory Elich, August 26, 2002
http://www.swans.com/library/art8/elich004.html
Erich chronicles the land reforms in Zimbabwe well. In this article Elich stated” The average white farmer owns approximately 100 times more land than a black farmer, and the land he owns is far more suitable for agriculture. Farms belonging to the Oppenheimer family alone total an area exceeding the size of Belgium, while a great many large tracts of land belong to absentee owners. Among the absentee landowners are members of the British House of Lords and other prominent British citizens, a fact not entirely unrelated to British efforts to derail land reform.” Dom. You will be surprised by the amount of bullying African leaders were subjected to by the likes of Tony Blair in order for them to adopt an anti-Mugabe line. Elich states that “as the Extraordinary Summit of the South African Development Community (SADC) opened in Blantyre, Malawi on January 14, 2002, Great Britain threatened to withhold $18 million in budgetary support from Malawi, the chair of the SADC, unless it agreed to direct the SADC towards the imposition of sanctions against Zimbabwe.” The UK even threatened to suspend food aid to Malawi. Mbeki was also arm twisted by Blair that his vision for Africa Nepad would be dead in the water if he did not adopt an anti-Mugabe stance. To understand the underlying rationale behind the West’s anti-Zimbabwe stance, a review of an essay published by Tony Blair’s former foreign affairs advisor, Robert Cooper, calling for a new imperialism is appropriate. According to Elich, Cooper wrote The challenge of the post-modern world is to get used to the idea of double standards. Among ourselves, by which he meant the West, we operate on the basis of laws and open cooperative security. But when dealing with more old-fashioned kinds of states outside the post-modern continent of Europe, we need to revert to the rougher methods of an earlier era -- force, pre-emptive attack, deception and whatever is necessary to deal with those who still live in the nineteenth century world of every state for itself. Among ourselves, we keep the law but when we are operating in the jungle, we must also use the laws of the jungle. So there it is in black and white that when the West is dealing with states that are outside Europe, like Zimbabwe, the laws of the jungle apply and not international law. So for dealing with African states, the use of force, pre-emptive attack, deception, double standards etc are deemed justifiable strategies by the West. Is this the way democracy should be exported to non-European countries by the West? What we are witnessing is a new world order in the making, where they would be one government for the world and one army all run from the West. Africans are just being used as cannon fodder in this experiment. That is why the majority of Zimbabweans do not believe that the West truly cares for our plight otherwise it would not have imposed sanctions on a poor country that have resulted in the devastation of lives and killed millions. Were the sanctions meant to be some kind of social engineering?
Hopefully, after reading these articles you will be better informed about the real situation as the majority of Zimbabweans see it. You can then tell us whether the West’s real intention is to re-colonise Zimbabwe or has sincere altruistic reasons for this unwarranted interference. Why has Zimbabwe received more press coverage from the West than all Africa combined in the last ten years? What is so special about Zimbabwe and the Zimbabwean people?
You also mentioned about an unemployment rate of over 80% in Zimbabwe. This is a figure that is bandied about in the Western press to disguise the fact that the majority of Zimbabweans have relied on informal trading and agriculture for their main stay from time immemorial. The truth of the matter is that formal employment in Zimbabwe accounts for about 5% of the population. The majority of Zimbabweans i.e. more than 75% live in rural areas where their main occupation is farming. So this is another lie than has been peddled by the West. You also mentioned that Zimbabweans do not have the skills to manage in a modern economy. One of the greatest successes of President Mugabe and Zanu-PF has been in the field of education. Even Gavin in her paper (Planning for a Post-Mugabe Zimbabwe) had this to say that after independence “the country maintained one of the best and most far-reaching educational systems on the continent, graduating generations of young
dom • n/a
Subject: response to Mhofeti
Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:38:02 • Mhofeti, I appreciate where you’re coming from. However, it is a myth that western countries wants to exploit zim’s resources at the expense of the indigenous population’s well-being. No country can go it alone in the modern world – all countries utilise specialisms and investment from overseas to generate skills, profit, and development. Britain, for example, has recently offered incentives to Japan, to have Nissan produce its next generation car batteries in the north-east, saving and creating skilled jobs for locals. Britain doesn’t want to own the factories, but wants the working population to grasp these new skills and create a base for future investments. Does this mean Britain has been colonised, as Mugabe would have you think would happen to Zimbabwe? – Certainly not.
Zimbabwe wants to insist on indigenising all investments from overseas, and this will strangle investment before it has a chance to thrive. Zimbabwe’s strength will come from developing skills that earn higher and higher wages, thus enabling greater wealth within the economy and empowering people to innovate and generate more wealth with those skills. At the moment other African countries are getting ahead by opening up and advertising its desire for jobs. You cannot empower a population that has 80% unemployment rates and no applicable skills and experience in the high-tech industries.
With sophisticated farming operations in Zimbabwe, such a fate has befallen the country. Many South African investors in farming operations in zim have had their property taken without compensation – and there is a bilateral trade treaty between the two countries that has been violated. Many European countries that had similar arrangements in place have suffered a similar situation – thus will not invest further. The land issue is not merely a bilateral dispute with Britain – as Mugabe would have you believe – it is a dispute with any foreign country that bought land previously.
In the UK, many foreign nationals own vast amounts of land and business interests. Britain gives tax breaks to companies to encourage inward investment – Africa should be no different. Laws and robust regulatory bodies, free from corruption, will safeguard indigenous interests. Asking foreign businesses to take all of the risk to only get a fraction of the reward is unworkable. And the cases stated below, where foreign companies treat local people badly, are a reflection of the lack of workers rights, indeed a lack of human rights in the countries they are investing in. Why else does China see Africa as a good place to invest? Mugabe’s record of sweeping all due rights (whether of workers or of investors) aside is the worst thing that could have happened to the people of Zimbabwe and is one of the main reasons Zimbabwe is where it is today.
n/a • n/a
Subject: n/a
Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:37:30 • Dom- As Mhofeti has pointed out And in our case, Zimbabwe is simply looking for equal partners to make the most of our God-given resources not necessarily kinder or nicer masters. You have missed the point raised by the articles posted by n/a. The Taiwanese company in Lesotho has a contracts with Gap and Levi companies to produce those garments and the environmental degradation is affecting the people of Lesotho and not the Gap/Levi customers in the West.Obviously, the Taiwanese company has located its operations in Lesotho to take advantage of the low wages.Is that not the concept of globalisation, a concept designed by the West.Of course the Taiwanese company is taking the biscuit by treating the workers so appallingly and the Lesotho govt should look into that and throw out such racist trash out of their country. This is the kind of investment partner that Africa does not want.As far as the DRC conflicts are concerned , you conveniently failed to mention the role Uganda and Rwanda (aided/supported by the West) played in that confict. You also failed to mention that Zimbabwe, Angola and Nambia also went to the DRC under the auspices of Sadc to assist a fellow Sadc country. You also conveniently failed to mention the 125 western conglomerates who were fingered out in the DRC coflicts. What has happened to the UN report that named and shamed these later day mercenaries masquareding as companies?
You also bang on about the need for good governance and robust institutions.We are all agreed on that. However, in your own judgement do you think the US is an example of good governance and robust institutions. Dom you are invited to view these videos and give us your feedback.
Farm Workers Claim Slavery in Florida
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLzFJPAcqW0
Black Farmers Still Looking For Justice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaWI1QtY3kM&feature=channel
The dumping-ground: Africa and GM food aid
Patrick Mulvany, 29 - 04 - 2004
http://www.opendemocracy.net/ecology-africa_democracy/article_1876.jsp
Even in Zimbabwe as we speak some of the food aid that has been delivered has been found to be contaminated and some of it has made people sick. Some mealie mealie powder sold in Zimbabwe has labels stating not to be eaten by children under the age of fourteen. Food aid comes with a hefty price and you know very well that food aid is a multi-dollar business and not a charity. Without sanctions imposed by the US,UK and their allies ( which you obvously support), Zimbabwe would have been in a position to self feed and not rely on Food Aid. You seem to want to denigrate Wafawarova's contributions. Where he is residing now is not an issue. If he is in Australia as you state, then it gives him a vantage view to learn how the indigenous Aborigins are treated in that country. Austraila is not exactly upholding the human rights of the aborigins , is it?
Wafawarova was born, bred , raised, educated and worked in Zimbabwe. He has experience of living in Zimbabwe under both colonialism and independence. Surely , he has a better perspective of what is attaining in Zimbabwe more than you who seem to be informed more by what you read in the Western press. The Western press has been very biased in its reporting of the Zimbabwean story. For your information, Wafawarova is preaching to the converted. You might dismiss his contributions but in Zimbabwe, the majority agree with his views. Just try and dispute the issues he has raised in the above article. Try not to shoot the messenger when the message being delivered is an unplatable truth.
Maybe you would also want to view this video:
Hillary Clinton speaks out about US links with Taliban at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2CE0fyz4ys
What does this tell you about US foreign policy?
Propaganda always runs a mile, whilst the truth is still at the starting blocks.The sons and daughters of Zimbabwe are now telling their own story and you should listen.
Mhofeti • pasizw@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Zimbabwe, Managing the rotten apple via the Fifth Freedom
Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:04:41 • Dom, you raise some interesting points BUT you generally missed the fundamental argument. I think the main argument with the west (Britain) pertains to the land issue and other indigenous empowerment programs. Talking about the civility and generosity of the west to Zimbabweans is like preaching to the converted. However, the issue is not about who treats who better than who but whether or not one accepts equal partnerships with Africa on economic matters. The simple fact is neither the west nor the east are investing anywhere with the intention of economically empowering the native people and gradually pull out to let locals own the means to their wealth.
Whilst I agree with your conclusion that good governance and robust institutions are required, I have a problem with a view that these ideals are threatened by the economic empowerment of the indigenous people. Your points about the west or east also seem to overlook the fact that Africa's dream doesn't start and end with working for someone. And in our case, Zimbabwe is simply looking for equal partners to make the most of our God-given resources not necessarily kinder or nicer masters.
Dom • n/a
Subject: Real Zimbabwean?
Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:39:58 • Reason is holed up in Australia, is he not? What does he know about Zimbabwe - I take it he will learn much from the multitude of independent international media outlets he so castigates. He must read plenty of online news also in the relative comfort of Australia; and yet still critises the west at every chance. Reason's hypocracy is beyond belief, but as long as he continues to feed your kind with his hate-filled, selectively researched rubbish about the outside world, you're contented and lavish him with praise. Reason is mocked and discredited among his peers for his bias.
dom • n/a
Subject: response to n/a
Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:12:26 • N/A,
I read those articles recently myself, and I note a few things which make it difficult to apportion blame squarely on the west - as you would have it.
The Lesotho article says……….Tseliso Tsoeu, an environmental expert from Lesotho’s council of nongovernmental organisations, said the law was being broken….The Chinese and Taiwanese have come here and have basically done what they wanted. They make enormous profits from employing black Africans on behalf of respectable western companies who advertise the highest standards of production but in reality don’t really know what is going on here.”
Maybe the look east policy is more detrimental than Zanu-pf want to believe – Chinese and Taiwanese companies aren’t regulated as well as those from the west. It goes on to say…At the Nien Hsing factory, where Taiwanese managers oversee production of Gap jeans, a 26-year-old woman named Meluwan said she worked up to 200 hours a month for 30p an hour to support a family of seven. “I am insulted on a daily basis,” she said. “The Taiwanese call me koko, mentally retarded. They also call me kaffir. It makes me so sad. I don’t know why they call me this.”
The DRC article says……..This has been fueled and supported by various national and international corporations and other regimes which have an interest in the outcome of the conflict. An ‘other regime’ would be Zimbabwe – Mugabe sent troops in 1998 and now has links to mining, I believe.
The computer story says….According to Global Witness, although the Congolese army and FDLR rebel groups have been warring on opposite sides for years, they are collaborators in the mining effort, at times providing each other with road and airport access and even sharing their spoils. By the time metals reach electronics companies, they may have changed hands as many as seven times. This means that without a clear supply history, when a consumer sets her cell phone to vibrate, a function enabled through the mineral wolframite, it is virtually impossible for her to know whether she is using wolframite mined in the eastern DRC, the site of horrific fighting and killing.
I wonder what Zimbabwe’s army has been doing in these lucrative operations?
Don't be so sure it's the west and not your chinese friends that disregard african 'human-rights' and 'environmental sustainability'.
Good governance and robust institutions are required in these countries. The Chinese will invest but they will also treat africans like they treat their own people - abismally.
n/a • n/a
Subject: n/a
Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:55:41 • Dom-Can you let real Zimbabweans like Wafawarova tell the real story of Zimbabwe? You have the nerve to come up with your rantings on this forum. Just check out these sights and see how multinational firms are exploiting African labour and causing environmental degradation to their countries:
From The Sunday Times
August 2, 2009, Dan McDougall in Maseru, Lesotho
African dream turns sour for orphan army
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article6736113.ece
The Democratic Republic of Congo
by Anup Shah
http://www.globalissues.org/article/87/the-democratic-republic-of-congo
First Blood Diamonds, Now Blood Computers?
By ELIZABETH DIAS Friday, Jul. 24, 2009
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1912594,00.html
Did the United Nations not identify 125 companies from the West that are benefiting from the carnage in the DRC. For your information more than 5million people have died in the DRC because of the conflicts sponsored by the West for minerals in the DRC so that you Dom can use your mobile phone and laptop computer.Stop preaching to the Africans. Zimbabweans have been impoverished by the West because they dared to claim back their land How dare you support sanctions that have caused the unnecessary deaths of millions of Zimbabwe? You bleat about human rights and yet you support measures that have led to the genocide of the Zimbabwean people.
The West has done worse in Africa.
N/A • N/A
Subject: Amazing
Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:57:43 • Is it not amazing that Reason without fail is good at elaborating the evils of the west (his hosts) and MDC-T without evening seeing a single negative did of Mugabe and Zanu PF?
Well, some people have to sing for their supper do not they?
n/a • n/a
Subject: n/a
Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:26:43 • Another Wafawarova candid analysis of Zimbabwean situation.Zimbabwe has been used as a punch bag by the West in attempt to eradicate all govts born out liberation movements in Africa and replace these with neo-liberal regimes that favour the West at the expense of the indigenous people.It is foolhardy of any Zimbabwen to think that the West is concerned about his/her welfare.Just look at how the West wants to showcase Ghana as an example of democracy in Africa. Ghana has had three visits from US Presidents in the last 10 years and yet 90% of Ghanians still live on less than one dollar a day.Those of us who have lived and worked in Ghana can tell you that the rosy picture painted by the West is false. Corruption is rampant in Ghana and that is a fact.What the West is doing is identifying African leaders who are malleable and can be persuaded to sing and implement a neo-liberal agenda in their country. Those identified are then offered scholarships such as the Rhodes scholarship or similar . They can also be put through the Harvard School of leadership programs. We have examples of such machinations in Zimbabwe. Others are invited onto boards of Foundations (Check out this link at:http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jul/30/strive-masiwiya-zimbabwe-telecoms). Wafawarova is correct in his conclusion that the real target is South Africa.As long as there is unequal distribution of wealth in SA, the unrest will continue.
Wenjere • wen@gmail.com
Subject: Tolerance
Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:06:41 • You are right Mhofeti. It is surprising the most to see someone who dares to comment on something they have not read and therefore do not know, turing around to lecture others about tolerance when they can hardly tolerate any divergent view themselves.
Mhofeti • pasizw@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Zimbabwe, Managing the rotten apple via the Fifth Freedom
Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:20:15 • Wenjere your comment gave me a lighter moment. Are you also not surprised that people like na for some inexplicable reason somehow feel qualified to tell others about democratic tolerance and right to freedom of expression? Ini how far?
dom • n/a
Subject: Reason's Fig Leaf
Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:49:14 • Zanu-PF's is not a pro-people model of governance - by any stretch of the imagination. Reason uses an anti-capitalist fig leaf to legitimise barbaric atrocities commited by a post-liberation aristocracy, determined to enrich itself at the expense of zim's progress. Reason is a mercenary scribe who never comments on the crimes commited by Zanu-PF and exposes himself as a propagandist in his first paragraph by referring to sanctions as 'illegal'. For future reference, Reason, the US and EU can decide for themselves who they sanction and who they trade with - there is nothing illegal about any of the asset-freeze and travel sanctions zimbabwean leaders are subjected to. There is no law broken by freezing ill-gotten assets kept in western banks. Maybe they shouldn't have used these bank accounts in the first place to launder these vast sums that should no doubt have gone towards zim's development.
In relation to terms you call vague and un-african, like 'human rights' and 'rule of law' - I'm sure they are not un-african terms to the suffering masses all across africa that are supressed by dictatorships - just un-african to the dictatorships themselves. History will not view Mugabe as anything other than a dictator, and as for you, Reason, you are a excellent example of a one-man 'deliberate disinformation campaign'. Just because you're anti-capitalist doesn't mean you should be pro-chaos.
Wenjere • wen@gmail.com
Subject: I am the opposite
Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:44:48 • I am your opposite. Not only do I read each of his articles I come across but I also try to comment on it because his work is, like others say here, researched and insicisive. Just wondering, why did you comment on something you did not even read. Is that fair on yourself? To me it makes you look like a bitter nutter or just an IDIOT.
The Hardy Boys • n/a
Subject: n/a
Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:10:50 • N/a is just one delusional if not psychotic western puppet. Even if the truth were to hit him in the face he would still not see it! Anyway, he can keep on dreaming because the West, MDC and Tsvangson will never rule Zimbabwe as there are people to put a stop to it by whatever means necessary to do so.Happy to finish off by repeating Reason here, ''Zimbabwe we are one and together we will overcome. It is homeland or death! P.S. - PUPPETS BEWARE!
na • na
Subject: talks crap
Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:06:31 • Reason i think you have been westernized and talk c**p. as soon as i see your name on any article i avoid reading it like the plague.
WHITE FANG • na
Subject: COPY AND PASTE THIS NOW.
Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:23:54 • Reason, I believe you have reason to watch. It is most enlightening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&feature=fvw
Please copy and paste and watch this now.
Wauya Chedope • ndougie@gmail.com
Subject: Reason Wafawarova - we need people of your insight
Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:55:39 • Just another masterful piece from Reason. Please continue with your well-prepared and researched stuff - I owe you.
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